Name: Wheels of Justice
Number: 147
Travel Team: Brawlers
Home Team: Moonshine Moxies
Years skating: 2
She fights for justice in her everyday life, and she fights just as hard for her team on the track! Get to know March’s skater of the month: Wheels of Justice!
You were nominated by Lemon Drop-Her, who wants to know: Have you done competitive sports other than roller derby? How are they similar or different? Do you have a favorite?
I haven’t done team sports since college, so it’s been a long time, but in college I played rugby, which was a club sport at the time, and I also did crew (you know, rowing). Rugby is more similar to derby, and that’s why I thought it would be a good fit, but the truth is, I’ve found a lot of my rugby instincts work against me on the track. Things like directionals will come up if you follow your [rugby] instincts. But one of the best things about doing derby now is just remembering what it’s like to be on a team and to have that community and camaraderie and that common goal of being the best you can, and working together. So it’s really taken me back, not only to college, but just to the person that I used to be back then. You know, it’s like remembering who I was before I became a grown-up and became a lawyer, became a mom, and did all of that adulting. So it’s been really nice.
How did you discover roller derby here in Knoxville?
Derby has been on my horizon since I was a kid. I was a child in the 70s; watching it on TV, my dad used to yell at the TV and be like, “Yeah!” It definitely caught my attention because it was probably the only sport that my dad would yell at the TV about that involved women, because it was all football, wrestling, all these things. So it definitely caught my attention, and I did a lot of skating as a kid. We got skates in elementary school, and my sister and I used to put on these little roller skating shows. We weren’t near a rink, so we were just skating outside, and we’d invite the neighbors and do little tricks and we were completely silly and ridiculous.
So I think it’s a little bit of—it’s probably a whole lot of nostalgia that kind of kept derby on my radar, but I also loved sports for women and women being empowered to be strong and the best that they can be. I’m very into promoting that, as a woman, as a mom. And so I can’t remember—I definitely discovered derby here before COVID, and I was on Kilty [Konscience]’s list, but COVID happened, and I got so consumed with that and everything. I didn’t really think derby was possible, and so it wasn’t until last year that I felt like I had the space in my life, and I also felt, frankly, like time was running out, the window’s gonna close soon if I don’t jump at this. So I finally signed up—I guess it was 2023.
What was an early victory you had in learning roller derby, either maybe something from fresh meat or from your first year?
There were a couple times where I hit the jammer out of bounds, and that felt like a huge victory. You know, sometimes working in a pack is a little foreign to me from—I mean, you do it in rugby, but for whatever reason, it’s been a little easier for me to catch a jammer on my own and drive them out. Other skills are so much harder to learn, for some reason, but I’ve done that a couple of times in a bout, and that’s felt like a huge victory, like, “Oh! I can get this sport!”
What are some of your favorite things about blocking?
I do really love the whole pack thing: learning from people, playing with more experienced players, like you [smalls] who are giving me instruction on the track, like, “Fall back,” “Hold on,” “Okay, go forward.” All the things, and you see how all those strategies play out. I do really like being part of a pack and feeling like, in all of the chaos, we’re trying to create some order, you know? But it’s really fun. I feel like there’s still a lot for me to learn, so there’s probably more I could add to that down the road, but for right now, being a blocker is still somewhat of a mystery.
Do you think you want to stay as a blocker, or do you have aspirations of being either a pivot or a jammer?
You know, I definitely want to be open to doing different things. So one of my goals for this year was to try to brace more, and just have that kind of track awareness and communication skills, and I’ve thought about being a pivot more and jamming. It seems like there’s a lot of interest in jamming, so I don’t know that I want to kind of be competing with people for that, but I definitely am open and would be open to trying it more.
You had mentioned directionals earlier when it comes with rugby. Is that your most common penalty, or do you think you have another one? And do you think that has anything to say about your derby personality or your derby playing style?
Okay, I don’t think it’s my most common one because I’ve gotten better about that. There’s been some multi-players. I feel like I’ve gotten some unfairly placed failure to reform (you know how they just pick somebody, and if you’re just a little slow figuring out what’s going on, it’s you). Let me think, what are some of the other ones—I’ve had a back block, which I did not understand at all because the person fell on me, and I’m completely passive in this situation, you know?
I’ve gotten—okay, this is probably my most common one—blocking out of play. And it’s because sometimes it’s not really clear that the person is out of bounds, or what’s going on. I guess that’s what I kind of feel like. And so blocking out of play is probably, I’m embarrassed to say, my most common penalty. Because I’m maybe halfway to blocking them, and then they’re out, and then I hit them, you know? So there’s no shortage of penalties for me, unfortunately, but that’s probably one of the most common.
Now on the flip side: if we had a theme song that we would all hear whenever you do something awesome on the track, what would you want it to be?
Ooh that’s a tough question! My song would be “Super Bon Bon” by Soul Coughing.
What are some of your favorite achievements on the track?
I try really hard to just get back up if I’m hit, that’s one thing I’m very committed to. That’s from rugby too: you get tackled, and you get right up. So I’m really committed to that, but definitely it seems like, I guess—like Kitty the other day, I was against her, and she was all like, “Oh you almost got me!” Because I’ve gotten her before! Which is kind of hard, because she’s really fast and good, but I’ve knocked her out entirely on my own, and so maybe that’s one of my achievements, is knocking Kitty out entirely on my own! Because she is so good and so fast. I knocked Rattle out once too.
Those are both very impressive people to have knocked out!
Yeah, I kind of was shocked, frankly, that I pulled it off. Both of them are on my derby shirt [gestures].
Oh I like it! And you have a cat behind you as well.
And I have a dog too, who, if this cat gets enough attention, he’ll start getting jealous. This is Nadia.
Tell me a little about your pets! I want to know about them!
My dog is Princess Leia (my son named her) and I have two cats. And they’re all rescues, so I feel like they’re all a little batty, frankly. Princess Leia is very attached to me. I work from home, but I feel like she should really be a park ranger’s dog—I feel like she kind of lost out. She needs a job, basically. If I’m on a video call for work sometimes, she can be super annoying and disruptive, like, “Oh, you’re talking to people and it’s not me? I’m not involved?” So it’s a little awkward explaining to your clients, like yes, my dog’s very needy.
And one of my cats is a real freak, like total—she was real feral. They didn’t really have much hope for her becoming a normal kind of cat, and she’s kind of lived up to that. She’s come around. She can handle some affection, and she kind of wants it, but it causes her a lot of anxiety, so she’s very fragile. And my kids are still—my son is really good and knows how to manage her; my daughter’s fourteen and never learned, so the cat will smack her or maybe hiss at her, and my daughter’s only finally trying to learn how to manage a difficult cat like that.
So anyway, I have three kind of crazy pets, but we volunteer at the animal shelter. We did the derby event where we all volunteered there and my daughter came with me, and she was like, “We need to do this!” So she and I do that now, usually on Saturdays, and almost every time we go, we are this close to adopting another cat. So it’s kind of tough, because I’m like, “Okay, three pets is a lot of pets.” But anyway, we go and we do that, and that was another gift that I got from derby, really.
Speaking of your kids, what do they think of you playing roller derby?
They’re not that impressed, to be honest! I feel like I would be impressed if my mom at this age was doing this, but they’re just kind of like, “Oh, pooh-pooh, that’s mom’s thing.” My daughter came once to a bout, but she mostly just didn’t want to sit at home because she didn’t really watch what was going on and wasn’t really into it, and my son’s never come, so I’m hoping this season, they come.
Luckily they’re into the gear a little bit. My son has the 2024 flaming roller skate t-shirt that I got him last year. He wore it for his first day of school, which kind of made me proud. It probably was random, but it still made me proud. My daughter, she came to one of the Georgia bouts, and she was like, “Ooh!” and got really into buying the t-shirts and stuff, so she’s got some roller derby t-shirts. So I don’t think they fully appreciate what it is, to be honest.
What is the story behind your skater name and number?
I’m a lawyer, and I wanted a legal name. There’s this podcast that I listen to a lot, and there’s a former prosecutor on there. It’s called “Legal AF.” They talk a lot about the “wheels of justice,” that’s an expression in the legal world. One day I was just listening to the podcast after I completed fresh meat, because I started fresh meat without a name, and I was like, “I’ll just see if I make the team first, there’s no need to get ahead of myself.” And then one day I was listening to it, and I was like, “Wheels of Justice—that’s the name!”
What’s kind of interesting about that—well two things. When I adopted my dog, back in 2018 from Young-Williams [Animal Center], her name was Justice, which is kind of funny. Like maybe we were destined to be together. And then secondly, just a couple of weeks ago I went to Montgomery, Alabama, to teach my kids about the Civil Rights Movement and everything that happened down there. I was overwhelmed that weekend with the word “justice” everywhere, and it kind of made me realize the deeper meaning of the word and how I was glad it was my derby name.
The reason for my number, because it is meaningful, is that my son was born on the 14th of November, and my daughter was born on the 7th of December. My number’s 147—what’s funny about that is that I didn’t know this, but my ex-husband, who races go-carts, also picked the number 147 for his number for the same reason. And I only knew this because I used his sticker guy to order stickers for my helmet, custom stickers for my helmet and stuff, and I figured out we both had 147. Kind of funny.
If you could describe your derby experience in three to five words, or maybe a short sentence, what would you say?
Oh that’s tough. I mean, it’s been nothing short of amazing. It has exceeded all my expectations, that’s probably what I would say, just everything about it. I’ll be honest, I sort of have commitment problems. I kind of try stuff or try people and I’m like, “Yeah, this isn’t gonna work, you know?” and I leave. But derby is—can’t get enough. I want to be at every practice, I want to be there at every bout, I don’t want to miss anything, so it’s been very consuming for me.
Who do you want to nominate next month, and what do you want to ask?
November Pain, because she’s one of my favorite people on the team and from fresh meat and everything. What is the thing that has most surprised you about being involved in roller derby? Because I feel like there’s a lot of surprises (there’s been so many surprise payoffs for me) and so I want to know what that’s like for her.
Thank you for a great conversation Wheels! Readers, your hometown heroes are hard at work, practicing and preparing for our first bouts. Until next time, be like Wheels of Justice and fight for the people you care for.
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